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Backing data up

Every year for the past 20+ years we've been in this business, we have seen a lot of people that lost all of their data for one reason or another. 

We can't state the importance of this enough!  Back up on a regular basis and to multiple media.

Some notes before we get started:

Everything below assumes you have a back up device such as a flashdrive, an external drive(s) or rewriteable CD (but CD's are not recommended).  Microsoft articles on Windows 7 and 8 built-in backup system and Windows 10 backup.

But they are a bit cumbersome especially if you want to restore a file (see another way to restore a file).  The Windows built-in system does not seem to police disk space very well.  It may just error out when the destination drive is full and worse, you may not even know it's out of space so check on it once in a while! 

If you want to use the built-in backup, search the computer for the word "backup" or use Windows Run command and type sdclt.

The first time you use it you need to click the Set up backup link (not shown).  You are presented with a list of acceptable backup devices, select the one of interest and click next (or click Save on a network if so desired).

Next you'll choose to; let Windows decide on what get's backed up or manually select the folders you want to backup (not shown).

Manual selection is needed when you have any applications that save data outside the normal user folders (Documents, Pictures, etc.).

With the manual selection process you will be presented with a screen that looks like this where you need to locate and select those other folders, which reside elsewhere on the C: (or another) drive.

Place a check mark in the box next to the desired folder(s).

Click next then click to Schedule and run the backup. 

Scheduled backups will occur only if the computer is running.  They cannot execute if the computer is in hibernation or sleep, so select a day/time that the computer will be running, or change the power settings to not hibernate/sleep.  See Power settings in our June '13 Newsletter.

Manage disk space

As mentioned above and in our March '13 newsletter, Windows backup does not manage the disk space.  It may just continue to backup until the device is full and then fail without notice

If you use the Windows built-in back up system, check on it once in a while.  From the Control Panel (small icon option), select Backup and Restore.

Click the Manage space link.

That will open this screen where you click to View backups...

From there simply select and delete older backup periods as desired.

If your first/original backup contained everything, you may want to keep it and delete some backups that followed...

System Image/Repair

In the initial Windows (built-in) backup screen, there may be a couple of options (upper left) and it's probably a good idea to do both.  See also our Windows Restore article.

  1. Create system image.  This could require dozens of DVD's so use an external drive or large flash drive.  This image would be used in the event you need completely wipe and bring the computer back to the condition as of the date the image was made.  We are assuming this will create a bootable system that could be used in the event of a drive replacement.

  2. Create system repair disk.  DVD Only, this can be used to boot the computer in the event of a serious Windows corruption, but it is only a repair disk.  If the drive fails and you have to install a new drive, this does not contain the Windows reinstallation files. 

    Note: If your computer did not come with an actual Windows Operating System disk, you should make this repair disk! 

    • Many computer manufacturer's disks are complete restoration kits, which do not have the necessary OS files to do a repair, instead they wipe the computer and reload everything.

From our October '13 Newsletter - one more piece of advice:

Computers are simply not shipped with restoration disks anymore, rather the manufacturers expect you will build them.  Most have a utility to do so and most will pop up a reminder until you either build the disks or dismiss the reminder.  Create the disk kit (or flash drive)!   

If you find your computer is corrupt or infected, or you simply want to do a factory restore and have not made the disks, some computers have a key combination to launch the repair mode, see our notes page.  Windows 8 machines may not have that repair from boot hot key available, but there is still a way to build those disks.  See this Microsoft article.

So with all that out of the way, rather than using the built-in backup system, we prefer the simple batch file shown below.  Restoring a file cannot be automated, but it is as simple as opening one of the back up folder (dated) then copy the desired file(s) back to the Desktop (or original file location).

Data backup with a batch file

While batch files are handy and can automate a lot of work, a mistake in the code could be disastrous! 
Know what you are doing and test before implementing!

And keep in mind, any open files are skipped during a backup so best to close everything, maybe even reboot the computer before backing up...

See Windows command line tools for more information.

Create a batch file: Open notepad (Windows+R), enter the 2 backup lines as shown below, then save as...
Change the Save as type to; All files then type a file name to include the ".bat" extension, e.g. Backup.bat


xcopy /e /i /c /y "c:\users\*.*" "g:\username\%TODAY%\"


Some of Xcopy switches:

SET TODAY=%DATE:/=-% Assigns the current date to the variable named TODAY -

Each time the batch file is run, it makes copy named as the current date.  This way you can go back many weeks or even months to retrieve data.

If username is included, the dated folders would reside under that username folder.

Once you have saved the batch file, simply double click the icon to backup.  You can also schedule this to run via Windows Task Scheduler available from the Control Panel > Administrative tools...

Very Important:  You must check up on the backup drive on occasion to make sure the drive is not too full.  So once in a while, go into the drive and delete old backups.

If however, you feel confident programming DOS commands, Google search "forfiles delete folder" and you can automate deleting folders older than xx days.  Below is what we use.


There are variations of Forefiles on the Internet and we can no longer find a safe download site.  If you do obtain it someplace, we have found the below command line works with forefiles dated 11/30/2011.  If you obtain one with a different date, you may have to rework the batch file command line.  See this Microsoft article on forfiles.

Forefiles can wipeout all of your data before you know what happen!  You need to be very careful programming and using it - test and retest before implementing anything. 

We found it best to place forfiles (and everything else) on the root and run them from there.  But doing so, you need to specifically have your batch file run on the root rather than from a folder.  Hence you will find the command "cd\" at the beginning of the example batch files. 

We know just enough about this utility to be dangerous, but this single command line seems to work for us.  So our entire backup batch file looks like this:

ForFiles /P g:\ /D -15 /C "CMD /C if @ISDIR==TRUE echo RD /Q @FILE &RD /Q /S @FILE"
xcopy /e /i /c /y "c:\users\*.*" "g:\username\%TODAY%\"

Breaking that forfile command apart:

Drive letter warning

Your external drive could change if you plug in (or unplug) other devices like cameras, phones, etc. 
If so the batch file will not run properly.  Check under "Computer" to insure the assigned drive letter matches the batch file's drive letter.  It's possible (but not likely) the batch could attempt to backup your files to another device if that other device took over the batch file's assigned drive.  So check the external's drive letter on occasion.   

You can assign the external drive a permanent, higher drive letter to reduce the chance of it changing. 

To do so, Right click "Computer" and select Manage. 

When that opens, select Disk Management and there you will Right click the external drive and choose Change drive letter.

But be VERY CAREFUL in here. 

Changing a drive letter assignment can have adverse affects on the system.  

Accidentally changing the boot drive will make the computer completely unusable!

Typically the boot drive is Disk 0 (zero), but there could be conditions where it is some other assignment.  Look for something else to identify the external, in this example, WD Combo...